Special counsel Hur is testifying on Capitol Hill in Biden classified documents probe
![Robert Hur Special counsel Robert Hur takes his seat as he appears before the House Judiciary Committee for a hearing on whether President Joe Biden had mishandled classified information after his time as vice president, at the Capitol in Washington, Tuesday, March 12, 2024.](https://whyy.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/AP24072544491546-768x512.jpg)
Special counsel Robert Hur takes his seat as he appears before the House Judiciary Committee for a hearing on whether President Joe Biden had mishandled classified information after his time as vice president, at the Capitol in Washington, Tuesday, March 12, 2024. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
Special counsel Robert Hur is testifying before Congress about his investigation into President Biden’s handling of classified documents, speaking publicly for the first time about the probe that resulted in no charges but set off a political firestorm about the president’s age and mental fitness.
In a nearly 350-page report released last month, Hur said charges were not warranted against Biden for his alleged mishandling of classified materials after he left the vice presidency. But that decision was overshadowed by Hur’s description of Biden as a “sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”
That portrayal fed into an already public debate about President Biden’s age and fitness for a second term. It also sparked fury at the White House and among Democrats on Capitol Hill, who called Hur’s remarks gratuitous, prejudicial and inappropriate.
Biden even held a hastily arranged new conference after the report’s release to defend his record and his fitness for office.
Republicans, started the hearing by replaying the press event, repeating and emphasizing the description of Biden to raise questions about the president’s mental acuity.
House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., and his fellow GOP leaders in the House also claimed that the decision not to charge Biden was evidence of a “two-tiered system of justice,” echoing a claim that former President Donald Trump has also made without evidence.
White House pushes back
The White House has moved aggressively to push back on those characterizations. Before Hur even spoke, the White House quickly refuted parts of his opening statement, citing references from three pages of his report that contradicted his statement that Biden willfully retained materials.
The White House specifically cited passages in the report that seem to contradict Hur. The citations include Page 12: “The evidence suggests that Mr. Biden did not willfully retainthese documents and that they could plausibly have been brought to these locations by mistake,” Page 177: “We cannot prove that Mr. Biden retained these classified documents willfully,” and Page 206: “Mr. Biden did not intend to retain any marked classified documents.”
A review of the transcript by NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith found that during more than five hours of interviews over two days last October, Biden cracked jokes, went into great detail about the design of his Wilmington home and spoke with confidence about world events from more than a decade ago. At times, he was defiant.
He also said some combination of “I don’t know,” “I don’t recall,” “I don’t specifically remember,” “I have no goddamn idea” and similar phrases more than 100 times during the deposition.
The 258-page transcript of the interviews conducted by Hur on Oct. 8 and 9 paints a more nuanced portrait of the president than was described in Hur’s report last month.
The transcript shows moments where Biden felt around trying to remember the year of certain events, like Donald Trump winning the election in 2016. and the death of his beloved son Beau. Biden recalled the day, May 30, but not the year. The timelines for questions in the interview bounced around.
Two significantly different investigations into classified documents
Trump is facing a separate investigation, led by special counsel Jack Smith, into his own alleged mishandling of classified documents after leaving the presidency. Trump was indicted on more than three dozen federal criminal charges after boxes of classified materials were found at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida.
Trump and his two co-defendants have pleaded not guilty in the case.
Although the Biden and Trump cases both involve classified materials, there are significant differences between them. In Biden’s case, his attorneys promptly returned the records after discovering them. Trump, meanwhile, is accused of willfully keeping the classified documents and then actively trying to obstruct Justice Department efforts to get them back.
In his report, Hur pointed to what he called “several material distinctions” between the two cases.
“Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts.”
Political impact of the report
Democrats on the committee are likely to use Hur’s appearance to draw a sharp contrast between Biden and Trump, who look set for a rematch in the 2024 presidential race.
Republicans, meanwhile, are expected to play up Hur’s depiction of Biden as an elderly gentleman with memory problems.
Hur’s appearance comes at a moment when there is growing skepticism among House Republicans about the party’s impeachment inquiry into President Biden.
The investigation, led by Reps. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and James Comer, R-Ky., has continued for months without producing any direct evidence that Biden was involved in any of his family’s foreign business dealings.
One central figure in the investigation now faces federal charges for allegedly fabricating his claims.
While Hur’s appearance isn’t related to the central allegations of the impeachment push, his testimony is still likely to be used by the party as a chance to emphasize the lawmakers’ concerns over Biden’s fitness for office.
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